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  <title>439: Caroline Kirkpatrick: From Ear Molds to Digital Dentures</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Caroline Kirkpatrick shares her incredible journey from discovering dental technology by chance in Scotland to becoming the first female clinical dental technician to qualify in the UK. She talks about building her own lab, teaching, treating patients, and embracing digital dentistry while constantly looking for better, more efficient ways to work. It’s a great conversation about curiosity, education, digital dentures, and the importance of sharing what you’ve learned along the way.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;h3&gt;Hey there Voices of the Bench community, this is Trish Jones with &lt;a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ivoclar&lt;/a&gt;. If you've been curious about fast-firing zirconia to improve efficiency but aren't convinced it can deliver predictable, high-quality results, I'd encourage you to connect with us. Our new &lt;a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-processes/ips-e.max-zircad" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;IPS Emax Zirconia&lt;/a&gt; offers multiple fast-fire protocols designed to help save you valuable production time while maintaining consistent results. Time is money in every lab. Don't wait. Reach out to your local Ivoclar rep today and discover how IPS Emax Zirconia can help streamline your workflow.&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;As full-arch dentistry continues to grow, so do the demands on today's dental laboratories. That's why &lt;a href="https://www.knightdentalgroup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Knight Dental&lt;/a&gt; recently launched &lt;strong&gt;SimplyARCH Studio&lt;/strong&gt;, a dedicated production environment built exclusively for full-arch restorations. To support this specialized workflow, Knight invested in an XTCERA milling system and carefully evaluated multiple CAM software solutions before choosing &lt;a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;hyperDENT&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The decision came down to exceptional milling quality, minimal hand finishing, and impressive production efficiency. But what truly set &lt;a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;hyperDENT&lt;/a&gt; apart was the implementation process. From the very beginning, the team provided more than software training—they shared the knowledge and experience needed to build an optimized workflow for complex full-arch cases. With proven expertise in advanced milling strategies and laboratory production, &lt;a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;hyperDENT&lt;/a&gt; helped ensure SimplyARCH Studio was designed for long-term success from day one.Matt Everatt joins Elvis and Barb for a fascinating conversation that takes a deep dive into his journey through the dental laboratory industry and the story behind his book,&lt;a href="https://a.co/d/04V5YKvu" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt; &lt;em&gt;The Invisible Profession&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. From discovering dental technology at 16 and specializing in maxillofacial prosthetics and orthodontics to working in hospitals, developing early sleep-apnea appliances, and nearly leaving the profession altogether, Matt's career has taken some seriously interesting turns. Eventually, he helped co-found S4S, building a successful business around sleep-apnea appliances, occlusal splints, orthodontics, and more before eventually stepping away from ownership.&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From polishing hearing-aid earpieces to becoming the first female clinical dental technician to qualify in the UK, &lt;strong&gt;Caroline Kirkpatrick&lt;/strong&gt; has taken a pretty incredible—and definitely unconventional—path through dental technology.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Caroline joins Barb and Elvis to talk about how a broken denture repair sign outside a dental laboratory sparked her interest in the industry, her early years learning crown and bridge, orthodontics, and working in a dental hospital, and how her curiosity pushed her to learn every side of the profession. Eventually, that curiosity led Caroline to become one of the first four technicians accepted into the UK’s pioneering clinical dental technology program in 2010.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But Caroline’s story doesn’t stop at the bench. She built her own laboratory, taught dental technology, treated patients clinically, raised a family, and continued pushing herself into digital dentistry. She shares how she experimented with early digital workflows, 3D printing, digital dentures, and eventually exocad—and why she believes the best digital workflow isn’t necessarily the fanciest one, but the one that actually works in the real world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Caroline also talks about working with her sister and daughter in the family lab, the importance of exposing young technicians to different laboratories and workflows, and why sharing the mistakes you’ve made can sometimes be one of the best ways to help someone else learn. From Scotland to the world of digital dentures, this is a great conversation about curiosity, adaptability, education, and never being afraid to learn something new.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;You know what's expensive in a dental lab? Most people would say the mill, but the real cost is downtime. When production stops, everything backs up—cases get delayed, technicians get frustrated, and customers start asking questions. That's why reliable equipment matters. &lt;a href="https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&amp;amp;pf=1&amp;amp;ai=DChsSEwjUx66N8baWAxXdF60GHUadFscYACICCAEQCRoCcHY&amp;amp;co=1&amp;amp;ase=2&amp;amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwtKrUBhAhEiwAr77ZoiWOW9IAFlLuJ1vjbWaxuvdKDX7UsDPr2GJs0oZsLFsynjUMihsQYRoCDEoQAvD_BwE&amp;amp;cid=CAASWuRoO2rA8eu0MrwctbCulg69_raiED8KK_QJ1u9yGOsL3XgMleUitRWtBtenkWtDny9HZi9VfojCPqqN1C6aL6kqCwmbdQ4lQ_yPQKTGhYdMGoXlqqT-olYVcw&amp;amp;cce=2&amp;amp;category=acrcp_v1_32&amp;amp;sig=AOD64_2bpaJMyFxSUzLIrIqjXBLzof5ubA&amp;amp;q&amp;amp;nis=4&amp;amp;adurl=https://www.rolanddga.com/products/dental/dwx-series?creative%3D788896668668%26keyword%3Droland%2520milling%2520machines%26matchtype%3Dp%26network%3Dg%26device%3Dc%26gad_source%3D1%26gad_campaignid%3D23369528133%26gbraid%3D0AAAAAD6mPuzL-OH53QwwEY0FHcQ2sFesN%26gclid%3DCjwKCAjwtKrUBhAhEiwAr77ZoiWOW9IAFlLuJ1vjbWaxuvdKDX7UsDPr2GJs0oZsLFsynjUMihsQYRoCDEoQAvD_BwE&amp;amp;ved=2ahUKEwizs6iN8baWAxVYxuYEHcPdKTkQ0Qx6BAgPEAQ" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Roland DGA's DGSHAPE DWX&lt;/a&gt; milling solutions are built for dependable production, helping labs stay on schedule and keep work moving day after day. Less downtime means fewer surprises and more time doing what your lab does best. And when your equipment is reliable, your customers notice the difference. Reliability isn't just a feature—it's the foundation of a successful lab. Visit rolanddental.com to learn more about Roland's DGSHAPE DWX milling solutions. Special Guest: Caroline Kirkpatrick.&lt;/h3&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<h3>Hey there Voices of the Bench community, this is Trish Jones with <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow noopener">Ivoclar</a>. If you've been curious about fast-firing zirconia to improve efficiency but aren't convinced it can deliver predictable, high-quality results, I'd encourage you to connect with us. Our new <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-processes/ips-e.max-zircad" rel="nofollow noopener">IPS Emax Zirconia</a> offers multiple fast-fire protocols designed to help save you valuable production time while maintaining consistent results. Time is money in every lab. Don't wait. Reach out to your local Ivoclar rep today and discover how IPS Emax Zirconia can help streamline your workflow.</h3>

<hr>

<h3>As full-arch dentistry continues to grow, so do the demands on today's dental laboratories. That's why <a href="https://www.knightdentalgroup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Knight Dental</a> recently launched <strong>SimplyARCH Studio</strong>, a dedicated production environment built exclusively for full-arch restorations. To support this specialized workflow, Knight invested in an XTCERA milling system and carefully evaluated multiple CAM software solutions before choosing <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>hyperDENT</strong></a>. The decision came down to exceptional milling quality, minimal hand finishing, and impressive production efficiency. But what truly set <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> apart was the implementation process. From the very beginning, the team provided more than software training—they shared the knowledge and experience needed to build an optimized workflow for complex full-arch cases. With proven expertise in advanced milling strategies and laboratory production, <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> helped ensure SimplyARCH Studio was designed for long-term success from day one.Matt Everatt joins Elvis and Barb for a fascinating conversation that takes a deep dive into his journey through the dental laboratory industry and the story behind his book,<a href="https://a.co/d/04V5YKvu" rel="nofollow noopener"> <em>The Invisible Profession</em></a>. From discovering dental technology at 16 and specializing in maxillofacial prosthetics and orthodontics to working in hospitals, developing early sleep-apnea appliances, and nearly leaving the profession altogether, Matt's career has taken some seriously interesting turns. Eventually, he helped co-found S4S, building a successful business around sleep-apnea appliances, occlusal splints, orthodontics, and more before eventually stepping away from ownership.</h3>

<p>From polishing hearing-aid earpieces to becoming the first female clinical dental technician to qualify in the UK, <strong>Caroline Kirkpatrick</strong> has taken a pretty incredible—and definitely unconventional—path through dental technology.</p>

<p>Caroline joins Barb and Elvis to talk about how a broken denture repair sign outside a dental laboratory sparked her interest in the industry, her early years learning crown and bridge, orthodontics, and working in a dental hospital, and how her curiosity pushed her to learn every side of the profession. Eventually, that curiosity led Caroline to become one of the first four technicians accepted into the UK’s pioneering clinical dental technology program in 2010.</p>

<p>But Caroline’s story doesn’t stop at the bench. She built her own laboratory, taught dental technology, treated patients clinically, raised a family, and continued pushing herself into digital dentistry. She shares how she experimented with early digital workflows, 3D printing, digital dentures, and eventually exocad—and why she believes the best digital workflow isn’t necessarily the fanciest one, but the one that actually works in the real world.</p>

<p>Caroline also talks about working with her sister and daughter in the family lab, the importance of exposing young technicians to different laboratories and workflows, and why sharing the mistakes you’ve made can sometimes be one of the best ways to help someone else learn. From Scotland to the world of digital dentures, this is a great conversation about curiosity, adaptability, education, and never being afraid to learn something new.</p>

<h3>You know what's expensive in a dental lab? Most people would say the mill, but the real cost is downtime. When production stops, everything backs up—cases get delayed, technicians get frustrated, and customers start asking questions. That's why reliable equipment matters. <a href="https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&amp;pf=1&amp;ai=DChsSEwjUx66N8baWAxXdF60GHUadFscYACICCAEQCRoCcHY&amp;co=1&amp;ase=2&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwtKrUBhAhEiwAr77ZoiWOW9IAFlLuJ1vjbWaxuvdKDX7UsDPr2GJs0oZsLFsynjUMihsQYRoCDEoQAvD_BwE&amp;cid=CAASWuRoO2rA8eu0MrwctbCulg69_raiED8KK_QJ1u9yGOsL3XgMleUitRWtBtenkWtDny9HZi9VfojCPqqN1C6aL6kqCwmbdQ4lQ_yPQKTGhYdMGoXlqqT-olYVcw&amp;cce=2&amp;category=acrcp_v1_32&amp;sig=AOD64_2bpaJMyFxSUzLIrIqjXBLzof5ubA&amp;q&amp;nis=4&amp;adurl=https://www.rolanddga.com/products/dental/dwx-series?creative%3D788896668668%26keyword%3Droland%2520milling%2520machines%26matchtype%3Dp%26network%3Dg%26device%3Dc%26gad_source%3D1%26gad_campaignid%3D23369528133%26gbraid%3D0AAAAAD6mPuzL-OH53QwwEY0FHcQ2sFesN%26gclid%3DCjwKCAjwtKrUBhAhEiwAr77ZoiWOW9IAFlLuJ1vjbWaxuvdKDX7UsDPr2GJs0oZsLFsynjUMihsQYRoCDEoQAvD_BwE&amp;ved=2ahUKEwizs6iN8baWAxVYxuYEHcPdKTkQ0Qx6BAgPEAQ" rel="nofollow noopener">Roland DGA's DGSHAPE DWX</a> milling solutions are built for dependable production, helping labs stay on schedule and keep work moving day after day. Less downtime means fewer surprises and more time doing what your lab does best. And when your equipment is reliable, your customers notice the difference. Reliability isn't just a feature—it's the foundation of a successful lab. Visit rolanddental.com to learn more about Roland's DGSHAPE DWX milling solutions.</h3><p>Special Guest: Caroline Kirkpatrick.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<h3>Hey there Voices of the Bench community, this is Trish Jones with <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow noopener">Ivoclar</a>. If you've been curious about fast-firing zirconia to improve efficiency but aren't convinced it can deliver predictable, high-quality results, I'd encourage you to connect with us. Our new <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-processes/ips-e.max-zircad" rel="nofollow noopener">IPS Emax Zirconia</a> offers multiple fast-fire protocols designed to help save you valuable production time while maintaining consistent results. Time is money in every lab. Don't wait. Reach out to your local Ivoclar rep today and discover how IPS Emax Zirconia can help streamline your workflow.</h3>

<hr>

<h3>As full-arch dentistry continues to grow, so do the demands on today's dental laboratories. That's why <a href="https://www.knightdentalgroup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Knight Dental</a> recently launched <strong>SimplyARCH Studio</strong>, a dedicated production environment built exclusively for full-arch restorations. To support this specialized workflow, Knight invested in an XTCERA milling system and carefully evaluated multiple CAM software solutions before choosing <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>hyperDENT</strong></a>. The decision came down to exceptional milling quality, minimal hand finishing, and impressive production efficiency. But what truly set <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> apart was the implementation process. From the very beginning, the team provided more than software training—they shared the knowledge and experience needed to build an optimized workflow for complex full-arch cases. With proven expertise in advanced milling strategies and laboratory production, <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> helped ensure SimplyARCH Studio was designed for long-term success from day one.Matt Everatt joins Elvis and Barb for a fascinating conversation that takes a deep dive into his journey through the dental laboratory industry and the story behind his book,<a href="https://a.co/d/04V5YKvu" rel="nofollow noopener"> <em>The Invisible Profession</em></a>. From discovering dental technology at 16 and specializing in maxillofacial prosthetics and orthodontics to working in hospitals, developing early sleep-apnea appliances, and nearly leaving the profession altogether, Matt's career has taken some seriously interesting turns. Eventually, he helped co-found S4S, building a successful business around sleep-apnea appliances, occlusal splints, orthodontics, and more before eventually stepping away from ownership.</h3>

<p>From polishing hearing-aid earpieces to becoming the first female clinical dental technician to qualify in the UK, <strong>Caroline Kirkpatrick</strong> has taken a pretty incredible—and definitely unconventional—path through dental technology.</p>

<p>Caroline joins Barb and Elvis to talk about how a broken denture repair sign outside a dental laboratory sparked her interest in the industry, her early years learning crown and bridge, orthodontics, and working in a dental hospital, and how her curiosity pushed her to learn every side of the profession. Eventually, that curiosity led Caroline to become one of the first four technicians accepted into the UK’s pioneering clinical dental technology program in 2010.</p>

<p>But Caroline’s story doesn’t stop at the bench. She built her own laboratory, taught dental technology, treated patients clinically, raised a family, and continued pushing herself into digital dentistry. She shares how she experimented with early digital workflows, 3D printing, digital dentures, and eventually exocad—and why she believes the best digital workflow isn’t necessarily the fanciest one, but the one that actually works in the real world.</p>

<p>Caroline also talks about working with her sister and daughter in the family lab, the importance of exposing young technicians to different laboratories and workflows, and why sharing the mistakes you’ve made can sometimes be one of the best ways to help someone else learn. From Scotland to the world of digital dentures, this is a great conversation about curiosity, adaptability, education, and never being afraid to learn something new.</p>

<h3>You know what's expensive in a dental lab? Most people would say the mill, but the real cost is downtime. When production stops, everything backs up—cases get delayed, technicians get frustrated, and customers start asking questions. That's why reliable equipment matters. <a href="https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&amp;pf=1&amp;ai=DChsSEwjUx66N8baWAxXdF60GHUadFscYACICCAEQCRoCcHY&amp;co=1&amp;ase=2&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwtKrUBhAhEiwAr77ZoiWOW9IAFlLuJ1vjbWaxuvdKDX7UsDPr2GJs0oZsLFsynjUMihsQYRoCDEoQAvD_BwE&amp;cid=CAASWuRoO2rA8eu0MrwctbCulg69_raiED8KK_QJ1u9yGOsL3XgMleUitRWtBtenkWtDny9HZi9VfojCPqqN1C6aL6kqCwmbdQ4lQ_yPQKTGhYdMGoXlqqT-olYVcw&amp;cce=2&amp;category=acrcp_v1_32&amp;sig=AOD64_2bpaJMyFxSUzLIrIqjXBLzof5ubA&amp;q&amp;nis=4&amp;adurl=https://www.rolanddga.com/products/dental/dwx-series?creative%3D788896668668%26keyword%3Droland%2520milling%2520machines%26matchtype%3Dp%26network%3Dg%26device%3Dc%26gad_source%3D1%26gad_campaignid%3D23369528133%26gbraid%3D0AAAAAD6mPuzL-OH53QwwEY0FHcQ2sFesN%26gclid%3DCjwKCAjwtKrUBhAhEiwAr77ZoiWOW9IAFlLuJ1vjbWaxuvdKDX7UsDPr2GJs0oZsLFsynjUMihsQYRoCDEoQAvD_BwE&amp;ved=2ahUKEwizs6iN8baWAxVYxuYEHcPdKTkQ0Qx6BAgPEAQ" rel="nofollow noopener">Roland DGA's DGSHAPE DWX</a> milling solutions are built for dependable production, helping labs stay on schedule and keep work moving day after day. Less downtime means fewer surprises and more time doing what your lab does best. And when your equipment is reliable, your customers notice the difference. Reliability isn't just a feature—it's the foundation of a successful lab. Visit rolanddental.com to learn more about Roland's DGSHAPE DWX milling solutions.</h3><p>Special Guest: Caroline Kirkpatrick.</p>]]>
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  <title>437: Phillip Gold: The Gold Standard of Dental Technology </title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2026 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Elvis Deverick &amp; Barb Warner</author>
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  <itunes:title>Phillip Gold: The Gold Standard of Dental Technology </itunes:title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week we sit down with Philip Gold to hear the incredible story of growing up in a dental laboratory, taking over his family’s lab, and building a career centered around relationships, education, and giving back to the industry. Philip shares stories from his journey, the evolution of dental technology, and what drove him to earn an impressive six CDT certifications—including digital. It’s a great conversation about family, legacy, leadership, and the people who make this industry so special.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;h3&gt;Hey there Voices of the Bench community, this is Trish Jones with &lt;a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ivoclar&lt;/a&gt;. If you've been curious about fast-firing zirconia to improve efficiency but aren't convinced it can deliver predictable, high-quality results, I'd encourage you to connect with us. Our new &lt;a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-processes/ips-e.max-zircad" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;IPS Emax Zirconia&lt;/a&gt; offers multiple fast-fire protocols designed to help save you valuable production time while maintaining consistent results. Time is money in every lab. Don't wait. Reach out to your local Ivoclar rep today and discover how IPS Emax Zirconia can help streamline your workflow.&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;As full-arch dentistry continues to grow, so do the demands on today's dental laboratories. That's why &lt;a href="https://www.knightdentalgroup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Knight Dental&lt;/a&gt; recently launched &lt;strong&gt;SimplyARCH Studio&lt;/strong&gt;, a dedicated production environment built exclusively for full-arch restorations. To support this specialized workflow, Knight invested in an XTCERA milling system and carefully evaluated multiple CAM software solutions before choosing &lt;a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;hyperDENT&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The decision came down to exceptional milling quality, minimal hand finishing, and impressive production efficiency. But what truly set &lt;a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;hyperDENT&lt;/a&gt; apart was the implementation process. From the very beginning, the team provided more than software training—they shared the knowledge and experience needed to build an optimized workflow for complex full-arch cases. With proven expertise in advanced milling strategies and laboratory production, &lt;a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;hyperDENT&lt;/a&gt; helped ensure SimplyARCH Studio was designed for long-term success from day one.Matt Everatt joins Elvis and Barb for a fascinating conversation that takes a deep dive into his journey through the dental laboratory industry and the story behind his book,&lt;a href="https://a.co/d/04V5YKvu" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt; &lt;em&gt;The Invisible Profession&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. From discovering dental technology at 16 and specializing in maxillofacial prosthetics and orthodontics to working in hospitals, developing early sleep-apnea appliances, and nearly leaving the profession altogether, Matt's career has taken some seriously interesting turns. Eventually, he helped co-found S4S, building a successful business around sleep-apnea appliances, occlusal splints, orthodontics, and more before eventually stepping away from ownership.&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This week on Voices From the Bench, we finally sit down with someone we’ve been wanting to have on the show for a LONG time—&lt;strong&gt;Philip Gold&lt;/strong&gt;! Philip grew up in the dental laboratory, quite literally pulling teeth out of formaldehyde bottles in his father Raymond Gold’s lab in Atlanta. His father started the laboratory in 1946, and Philip eventually found himself following in those footsteps, although not without first taking a seven-year detour working for Williams Gold. That experience gave him the opportunity to visit laboratories all over the country, learn from some of the best in the industry, and see firsthand how different labs operated.&lt;br&gt;
Philip eventually returned to the family laboratory in 1980 and began the process of taking over from his father. What followed was a career built around learning, adapting, building teams, and—most importantly—relationships. Philip shares what it was like stepping into a leadership role at a young age, earning the respect of experienced technicians, and learning that being a leader isn’t about knowing everything yourself, but understanding the work well enough to help the people around you succeed. He also talks about selling the laboratory to National Dentex with the goal of giving the business and its people an opportunity to continue growing, only to eventually find his way back into the laboratory world with By Design Dental Studio alongside his daughter Katie and Denise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And if you know Philip, you know he’s never stopped learning. He currently holds six CDT certifications, including ceramics, crown and bridge, partials, implants, dentures, and digital. His story about preparing for the digital practical exam is a perfect example of his determination—his first practice run took seven and a half hours for an exam designed to be completed in just over five. So he reorganized, practiced again, changed his workflow, and eventually got it down to under five hours. And of course, Philip isn’t pursuing certifications just for himself. He wants to set an example, motivate the next generation of technicians, and encourage more people in the laboratory to continue learning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We also get into the importance of customer service, why relationships are at the heart of this industry, and why sometimes the best thing a laboratory can do is simply pick up the phone and help. Philip shares his philosophy that when something goes wrong, you drop everything and make it right. We talk about giving back to the industry, the people who helped shape Philip’s career, and how the dental laboratory community has always been willing to share knowledge when you’re willing to ask. And yes… somewhere along the way we also hear the greatest “okey-doke” story in dental laboratory history. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Special Guest: Phillip Gold.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<h3>Hey there Voices of the Bench community, this is Trish Jones with <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow noopener">Ivoclar</a>. If you've been curious about fast-firing zirconia to improve efficiency but aren't convinced it can deliver predictable, high-quality results, I'd encourage you to connect with us. Our new <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-processes/ips-e.max-zircad" rel="nofollow noopener">IPS Emax Zirconia</a> offers multiple fast-fire protocols designed to help save you valuable production time while maintaining consistent results. Time is money in every lab. Don't wait. Reach out to your local Ivoclar rep today and discover how IPS Emax Zirconia can help streamline your workflow.</h3>

<hr>

<h3>As full-arch dentistry continues to grow, so do the demands on today's dental laboratories. That's why <a href="https://www.knightdentalgroup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Knight Dental</a> recently launched <strong>SimplyARCH Studio</strong>, a dedicated production environment built exclusively for full-arch restorations. To support this specialized workflow, Knight invested in an XTCERA milling system and carefully evaluated multiple CAM software solutions before choosing <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>hyperDENT</strong></a>. The decision came down to exceptional milling quality, minimal hand finishing, and impressive production efficiency. But what truly set <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> apart was the implementation process. From the very beginning, the team provided more than software training—they shared the knowledge and experience needed to build an optimized workflow for complex full-arch cases. With proven expertise in advanced milling strategies and laboratory production, <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> helped ensure SimplyARCH Studio was designed for long-term success from day one.Matt Everatt joins Elvis and Barb for a fascinating conversation that takes a deep dive into his journey through the dental laboratory industry and the story behind his book,<a href="https://a.co/d/04V5YKvu" rel="nofollow noopener"> <em>The Invisible Profession</em></a>. From discovering dental technology at 16 and specializing in maxillofacial prosthetics and orthodontics to working in hospitals, developing early sleep-apnea appliances, and nearly leaving the profession altogether, Matt's career has taken some seriously interesting turns. Eventually, he helped co-found S4S, building a successful business around sleep-apnea appliances, occlusal splints, orthodontics, and more before eventually stepping away from ownership.</h3>

<p>This week on Voices From the Bench, we finally sit down with someone we’ve been wanting to have on the show for a LONG time—<strong>Philip Gold</strong>! Philip grew up in the dental laboratory, quite literally pulling teeth out of formaldehyde bottles in his father Raymond Gold’s lab in Atlanta. His father started the laboratory in 1946, and Philip eventually found himself following in those footsteps, although not without first taking a seven-year detour working for Williams Gold. That experience gave him the opportunity to visit laboratories all over the country, learn from some of the best in the industry, and see firsthand how different labs operated.<br>
Philip eventually returned to the family laboratory in 1980 and began the process of taking over from his father. What followed was a career built around learning, adapting, building teams, and—most importantly—relationships. Philip shares what it was like stepping into a leadership role at a young age, earning the respect of experienced technicians, and learning that being a leader isn’t about knowing everything yourself, but understanding the work well enough to help the people around you succeed. He also talks about selling the laboratory to National Dentex with the goal of giving the business and its people an opportunity to continue growing, only to eventually find his way back into the laboratory world with By Design Dental Studio alongside his daughter Katie and Denise.</p>

<p>And if you know Philip, you know he’s never stopped learning. He currently holds six CDT certifications, including ceramics, crown and bridge, partials, implants, dentures, and digital. His story about preparing for the digital practical exam is a perfect example of his determination—his first practice run took seven and a half hours for an exam designed to be completed in just over five. So he reorganized, practiced again, changed his workflow, and eventually got it down to under five hours. And of course, Philip isn’t pursuing certifications just for himself. He wants to set an example, motivate the next generation of technicians, and encourage more people in the laboratory to continue learning.</p>

<p>We also get into the importance of customer service, why relationships are at the heart of this industry, and why sometimes the best thing a laboratory can do is simply pick up the phone and help. Philip shares his philosophy that when something goes wrong, you drop everything and make it right. We talk about giving back to the industry, the people who helped shape Philip’s career, and how the dental laboratory community has always been willing to share knowledge when you’re willing to ask. And yes… somewhere along the way we also hear the greatest “okey-doke” story in dental laboratory history. </p><p>Special Guest: Phillip Gold.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<h3>Hey there Voices of the Bench community, this is Trish Jones with <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow noopener">Ivoclar</a>. If you've been curious about fast-firing zirconia to improve efficiency but aren't convinced it can deliver predictable, high-quality results, I'd encourage you to connect with us. Our new <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-processes/ips-e.max-zircad" rel="nofollow noopener">IPS Emax Zirconia</a> offers multiple fast-fire protocols designed to help save you valuable production time while maintaining consistent results. Time is money in every lab. Don't wait. Reach out to your local Ivoclar rep today and discover how IPS Emax Zirconia can help streamline your workflow.</h3>

<hr>

<h3>As full-arch dentistry continues to grow, so do the demands on today's dental laboratories. That's why <a href="https://www.knightdentalgroup.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Knight Dental</a> recently launched <strong>SimplyARCH Studio</strong>, a dedicated production environment built exclusively for full-arch restorations. To support this specialized workflow, Knight invested in an XTCERA milling system and carefully evaluated multiple CAM software solutions before choosing <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>hyperDENT</strong></a>. The decision came down to exceptional milling quality, minimal hand finishing, and impressive production efficiency. But what truly set <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> apart was the implementation process. From the very beginning, the team provided more than software training—they shared the knowledge and experience needed to build an optimized workflow for complex full-arch cases. With proven expertise in advanced milling strategies and laboratory production, <a href="https://www.follow-me-tech.com/hyperdent/" rel="nofollow noopener">hyperDENT</a> helped ensure SimplyARCH Studio was designed for long-term success from day one.Matt Everatt joins Elvis and Barb for a fascinating conversation that takes a deep dive into his journey through the dental laboratory industry and the story behind his book,<a href="https://a.co/d/04V5YKvu" rel="nofollow noopener"> <em>The Invisible Profession</em></a>. From discovering dental technology at 16 and specializing in maxillofacial prosthetics and orthodontics to working in hospitals, developing early sleep-apnea appliances, and nearly leaving the profession altogether, Matt's career has taken some seriously interesting turns. Eventually, he helped co-found S4S, building a successful business around sleep-apnea appliances, occlusal splints, orthodontics, and more before eventually stepping away from ownership.</h3>

<p>This week on Voices From the Bench, we finally sit down with someone we’ve been wanting to have on the show for a LONG time—<strong>Philip Gold</strong>! Philip grew up in the dental laboratory, quite literally pulling teeth out of formaldehyde bottles in his father Raymond Gold’s lab in Atlanta. His father started the laboratory in 1946, and Philip eventually found himself following in those footsteps, although not without first taking a seven-year detour working for Williams Gold. That experience gave him the opportunity to visit laboratories all over the country, learn from some of the best in the industry, and see firsthand how different labs operated.<br>
Philip eventually returned to the family laboratory in 1980 and began the process of taking over from his father. What followed was a career built around learning, adapting, building teams, and—most importantly—relationships. Philip shares what it was like stepping into a leadership role at a young age, earning the respect of experienced technicians, and learning that being a leader isn’t about knowing everything yourself, but understanding the work well enough to help the people around you succeed. He also talks about selling the laboratory to National Dentex with the goal of giving the business and its people an opportunity to continue growing, only to eventually find his way back into the laboratory world with By Design Dental Studio alongside his daughter Katie and Denise.</p>

<p>And if you know Philip, you know he’s never stopped learning. He currently holds six CDT certifications, including ceramics, crown and bridge, partials, implants, dentures, and digital. His story about preparing for the digital practical exam is a perfect example of his determination—his first practice run took seven and a half hours for an exam designed to be completed in just over five. So he reorganized, practiced again, changed his workflow, and eventually got it down to under five hours. And of course, Philip isn’t pursuing certifications just for himself. He wants to set an example, motivate the next generation of technicians, and encourage more people in the laboratory to continue learning.</p>

<p>We also get into the importance of customer service, why relationships are at the heart of this industry, and why sometimes the best thing a laboratory can do is simply pick up the phone and help. Philip shares his philosophy that when something goes wrong, you drop everything and make it right. We talk about giving back to the industry, the people who helped shape Philip’s career, and how the dental laboratory community has always been willing to share knowledge when you’re willing to ask. And yes… somewhere along the way we also hear the greatest “okey-doke” story in dental laboratory history. </p><p>Special Guest: Phillip Gold.</p>]]>
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