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    <description>A weekly podcast dedicated to the dental laboratory industry. Featuring anyone associated with the profession from all over the world. Host are in their own dental laboratory every day making teeth and interviewing people from the industry on their time off. New episodes every Monday morning.
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    <itunes:subtitle>A Dental Laboratory Podcast</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Elvis Dahl &amp; Barb Warner</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>A weekly podcast dedicated to the dental laboratory industry. Featuring anyone associated with the profession from all over the world. Host are in their own dental laboratory every day making teeth and interviewing people from the industry on their time off. New episodes every Monday morning.
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  <title>369: Cal-Lab 2025 Part 2 with Liam Johns, Tom Wiand, Scott Lowrey, and Matt Cushing</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>We are back with a packed episode from the 2025 Cal-Lab Association Meeting. First up is Liam Johns from Derby Dental Laboratory, Tom Wiand &amp; Scott Lowrey from Wiand Dental Lab, and Matt Cushing from First Choice Dental Lab. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>This week we bring 3 great conversation from the great Cal-Lab Association meeting that happened in February during Lab Day Chicago. First up is someone that has to put up with Elvis on a regular basis at Derby Dental Lab (https://www.derbydental.com/), Liam Johns. Liam talks about growing up with a technician father, becoming the removable manager at a young age, and how digital excites him for the future of dental technology.
Then we chat with two gentlemen from Wiand Dental Lab (https://www.wiandlab.com/), Tom Wiand and Scott Lowrey. Tom tells the story of starting the lab in the early 90s, organically growing through the years, and keeping up with technology. Scott talks about going from selling burs to selling restorations 10 years ago. Now he does education, chairside support, and helps the lab succeed. 
We wrap up the episode with former player for the Pittsburg Steelers, Matt Cushing. Once done, a buddy asked if he would do sales for his lab. Not knowing anything about teeth, it wasn't long before Matt found a passion for the industry and opened First Choice Dental Lab (https://www.firstchoicelab.com/) and is now (17 years later) a lab that has acquired other labs, grew to full service, and has a satellite lab in another state.  
Don't miss this incredible webinar with Tanya Little, a dentist from beautiful Vancouver, Canada. We would like to invite you to a special webinar that she's hosting with Ivoclar (https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us) and LMT (https://lmtmag.com/) on Wednesday, May 7th, titled "Reflections from a Denturist: 20 Years of Crafting Dentures!". In this program, she will review the incredible history of removables with Ivoclar and focus on the new and exciting evolution based print resin and of course, the PM7. Her goal is to provide you with several key takeaways that will allow you to work smarter and not harder. You can join on May 7th by registering at https://lmtmag.com/webinars/reflections-from-a-denturist-20-years-of-crafting-dentures
Are you a dental lab in need of more talent to improve your bottom line and keep production on schedule? Are you a dental tech with great skills but feel you're being limited at your current lab? Well, the answer is here and this is precisely why WIN WIN GO (https://www.winwingo.com/) was created. The dental lab and dental tech community needed a place where labs and technicians can meet, talk about their needs and connect in ways that foster a win win outcome. As a tech. If you're ready to make a change, thinking about moving in the next year or just curious what's out there, sign up today. It's totally free. As a lab, you might be feeling the frustration of paying the big employment site so much and getting so few tech candidates. We understand they don't much care about our industry. WINWINGO.com is simply the best place for lab techs and lab owners to actively engage in creating their ideal future. WINWINGO.com, how dental techs find paradise.
 Special Guests: Liam Johns, Matt Cushing, Scott Lowrey , and Tom Wiand CDT.
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week we bring 3 great conversation from the great Cal-Lab Association meeting that happened in February during Lab Day Chicago. First up is someone that has to put up with Elvis on a regular basis at <a href="https://www.derbydental.com/" rel="nofollow">Derby Dental Lab</a>, <strong>Liam Johns</strong>. Liam talks about growing up with a technician father, becoming the removable manager at a young age, and how digital excites him for the future of dental technology.</p>

<p>Then we chat with two gentlemen from <a href="https://www.wiandlab.com/" rel="nofollow">Wiand Dental Lab</a>, <strong>Tom Wiand</strong> and <strong>Scott Lowrey</strong>. Tom tells the story of starting the lab in the early 90s, organically growing through the years, and keeping up with technology. Scott talks about going from selling burs to selling restorations 10 years ago. Now he does education, chairside support, and helps the lab succeed. </p>

<p>We wrap up the episode with former player for the Pittsburg Steelers, <strong>Matt Cushing</strong>. Once done, a buddy asked if he would do sales for his lab. Not knowing anything about teeth, it wasn&#39;t long before Matt found a passion for the industry and opened <a href="https://www.firstchoicelab.com/" rel="nofollow">First Choice Dental Lab</a> and is now (17 years later) a lab that has acquired other labs, grew to full service, and has a satellite lab in another state.  </p>

<h3>Don&#39;t miss this incredible webinar with Tanya Little, a dentist from beautiful Vancouver, Canada. We would like to invite you to a special webinar that she&#39;s hosting with <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow">Ivoclar</a> and <a href="https://lmtmag.com/" rel="nofollow">LMT</a> on Wednesday, May 7th, titled &quot;Reflections from a Denturist: 20 Years of Crafting Dentures!&quot;. In this program, she will review the incredible history of removables with Ivoclar and focus on the new and exciting evolution based print resin and of course, the PM7. Her goal is to provide you with several key takeaways that will allow you to work smarter and not harder. You can join on May 7th by registering at <a href="https://lmtmag.com/webinars/reflections-from-a-denturist-20-years-of-crafting-dentures" rel="nofollow">https://lmtmag.com/webinars/reflections-from-a-denturist-20-years-of-crafting-dentures</a></h3>

<hr>

<h3>Are you a dental lab in need of more talent to improve your bottom line and keep production on schedule? Are you a dental tech with great skills but feel you&#39;re being limited at your current lab? Well, the answer is here and this is precisely why <a href="https://www.winwingo.com/" rel="nofollow">WIN WIN GO</a> was created. The dental lab and dental tech community needed a place where labs and technicians can meet, talk about their needs and connect in ways that foster a win win outcome. As a tech. If you&#39;re ready to make a change, thinking about moving in the next year or just curious what&#39;s out there, sign up today. It&#39;s totally free. As a lab, you might be feeling the frustration of paying the big employment site so much and getting so few tech candidates. We understand they don&#39;t much care about our industry. WINWINGO.com is simply the best place for lab techs and lab owners to actively engage in creating their ideal future. WINWINGO.com, how dental techs find paradise.</h3><p>Special Guests: Liam Johns, Matt Cushing, Scott Lowrey , and Tom Wiand CDT.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week we bring 3 great conversation from the great Cal-Lab Association meeting that happened in February during Lab Day Chicago. First up is someone that has to put up with Elvis on a regular basis at <a href="https://www.derbydental.com/" rel="nofollow">Derby Dental Lab</a>, <strong>Liam Johns</strong>. Liam talks about growing up with a technician father, becoming the removable manager at a young age, and how digital excites him for the future of dental technology.</p>

<p>Then we chat with two gentlemen from <a href="https://www.wiandlab.com/" rel="nofollow">Wiand Dental Lab</a>, <strong>Tom Wiand</strong> and <strong>Scott Lowrey</strong>. Tom tells the story of starting the lab in the early 90s, organically growing through the years, and keeping up with technology. Scott talks about going from selling burs to selling restorations 10 years ago. Now he does education, chairside support, and helps the lab succeed. </p>

<p>We wrap up the episode with former player for the Pittsburg Steelers, <strong>Matt Cushing</strong>. Once done, a buddy asked if he would do sales for his lab. Not knowing anything about teeth, it wasn&#39;t long before Matt found a passion for the industry and opened <a href="https://www.firstchoicelab.com/" rel="nofollow">First Choice Dental Lab</a> and is now (17 years later) a lab that has acquired other labs, grew to full service, and has a satellite lab in another state.  </p>

<h3>Don&#39;t miss this incredible webinar with Tanya Little, a dentist from beautiful Vancouver, Canada. We would like to invite you to a special webinar that she&#39;s hosting with <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow">Ivoclar</a> and <a href="https://lmtmag.com/" rel="nofollow">LMT</a> on Wednesday, May 7th, titled &quot;Reflections from a Denturist: 20 Years of Crafting Dentures!&quot;. In this program, she will review the incredible history of removables with Ivoclar and focus on the new and exciting evolution based print resin and of course, the PM7. Her goal is to provide you with several key takeaways that will allow you to work smarter and not harder. You can join on May 7th by registering at <a href="https://lmtmag.com/webinars/reflections-from-a-denturist-20-years-of-crafting-dentures" rel="nofollow">https://lmtmag.com/webinars/reflections-from-a-denturist-20-years-of-crafting-dentures</a></h3>

<hr>

<h3>Are you a dental lab in need of more talent to improve your bottom line and keep production on schedule? Are you a dental tech with great skills but feel you&#39;re being limited at your current lab? Well, the answer is here and this is precisely why <a href="https://www.winwingo.com/" rel="nofollow">WIN WIN GO</a> was created. The dental lab and dental tech community needed a place where labs and technicians can meet, talk about their needs and connect in ways that foster a win win outcome. As a tech. If you&#39;re ready to make a change, thinking about moving in the next year or just curious what&#39;s out there, sign up today. It&#39;s totally free. As a lab, you might be feeling the frustration of paying the big employment site so much and getting so few tech candidates. We understand they don&#39;t much care about our industry. WINWINGO.com is simply the best place for lab techs and lab owners to actively engage in creating their ideal future. WINWINGO.com, how dental techs find paradise.</h3><p>Special Guests: Liam Johns, Matt Cushing, Scott Lowrey , and Tom Wiand CDT.</p>]]>
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  <title>256: Destined to Tell His Story with Anas Afana</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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  <itunes:episode>256</itunes:episode>
  <itunes:title>Destined to Tell His Story with Anas Afana</itunes:title>
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  <itunes:author>Elvis Dahl &amp; Barb Warner</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week we are joined by Anas Afana, owner of Ace Dental Lab and author of the book "Destined to Fail". Anas talks about growing up in Jordan and Sudan as the son of a diplomate, coming to America to learn dental technology, working at various labs, and eventually opening up his own.  </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>Be sure to come see ELVIS and BARB in the IVOCLAR (https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us) Grand Ballroom AB during LMT Lab Day Chicago 2023 (https://lmtmag.com/ivoclar)
February 24 &amp;amp; 25
Be sure to stop by the Nowak Dental Supplies (https://www.nowakdental.com/) booth during Lab Day Chicago (https://lmtmag.com/lmtlabday) and tell them you are a fan of the podcast (https://www.facebook.com/groups/4141108352651184) to get a special sticker only for the fans.
Be sure to come see Barb on stage and join a great association. The Cal-Lab meeting February 23 &amp;amp; 24 in Chicago!
JOIN TODAY! (https://cal-lab.org/)
We say there is a lack of the public knowing about dental laboratories. Thankfully we are slightly closer to the world knowing about us because a dental technician wrote the story of his life, and a big part of the book is dental laboratory technology. Anas Afana, from Ace Dental Studio (https://www.acedentalstudio.com/) in Omaha, Nebraska, comes on this week to talk about his life and eventually writing the book "DESTINED TO FAIL: A MEMOIR OF RESILIENCE (https://www.destinedtofailbook.com/)". Anas talks about the interesting and unique way he was "forced" to learn dental technology in America, going through the DLT program, all the great stories from all the different labs, opening his own lab, and why he wrote the book.
Get the book DESTINED TO FAIL: A MEMOIR OF RESILIENCE from AMAZON (https://a.co/d/8iv87jG)
Going to LMT Lab Day Chicago?  Go see Anas at the Nowak Dental Supplies booth on Saturday to get a copy of the book and get it signed!!!
The new PrograScan PS3 and PS5 (https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-equipment/prograscan-ps5-and-ps3-laborscanner) provide true-to-detail, high-resolution and accurate scans for coordinated digital workflows that are precise, fast, and always accurate.
The PS3 and PS5 are powered by the popular and intuitive DentalCAD software from Exocad (https://exocad.com/).  Whether you are looking for your first scanner, to upgrade or add to your existing scanners, the PrograScan may be the one for you.
Reach out to your friendly Ivoclar (https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us) sales representative to select a scanner that matches the needs of your lab Today and tell them you heard about it on the podcast!
Does your lab use Magic Touch? If not, you should think about switching just so you can use icortica (https://icortica.com/). Icortica is a program that uses all the data you already collect in Magic Touch and puts it in one easy to see, use, and understand dashboard. Look at every account and see trends, sales, notes, payments, and even remake percentages. Use the data you already have to take your lab and your customer service to the next level. Elvis uses it daily and swears it is a huge part to his success working at the lab. Head over to icortica.com/voices (https://icortica.com/voices-from-the-bench/) to learn more or send an email to Rob Nazzal at rob@icortica.com and tell him you heard about it on Voices From the Bench!
 Special Guest: Anas Afana.
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    <![CDATA[<p>Be sure to come see ELVIS and BARB in the <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow">IVOCLAR</a> Grand Ballroom AB during <a href="https://lmtmag.com/ivoclar" rel="nofollow">LMT Lab Day Chicago 2023</a><br>
February 24 &amp; 25</p>

<p>Be sure to stop by the <a href="https://www.nowakdental.com/" rel="nofollow">Nowak Dental Supplies</a> booth during <a href="https://lmtmag.com/lmtlabday" rel="nofollow">Lab Day Chicago</a> and tell them you are a <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/4141108352651184" rel="nofollow">fan of the podcast</a> to get a special sticker only for the fans.</p>

<p>Be sure to come see Barb on stage and join a great association. The Cal-Lab meeting February 23 &amp; 24 in Chicago!<br>
<a href="https://cal-lab.org/" rel="nofollow">JOIN TODAY!</a></p>

<p>We say there is a lack of the public knowing about dental laboratories. Thankfully we are slightly closer to the world knowing about us because a dental technician wrote the story of his life, and a big part of the book is dental laboratory technology. Anas Afana, from <a href="https://www.acedentalstudio.com/" rel="nofollow">Ace Dental Studio</a> in Omaha, Nebraska, comes on this week to talk about his life and eventually writing the book &quot;<a href="https://www.destinedtofailbook.com/" rel="nofollow">DESTINED TO FAIL: A MEMOIR OF RESILIENCE</a>&quot;. Anas talks about the interesting and unique way he was &quot;forced&quot; to learn dental technology in America, going through the DLT program, all the great stories from all the different labs, opening his own lab, and why he wrote the book.</p>

<p><a href="https://a.co/d/8iv87jG" rel="nofollow">Get the book DESTINED TO FAIL: A MEMOIR OF RESILIENCE from AMAZON</a></p>

<p><strong>Going to LMT Lab Day Chicago?  Go see Anas at the Nowak Dental Supplies booth on Saturday to get a copy of the book and get it signed!!!</strong></p>

<h3>The new <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-equipment/prograscan-ps5-and-ps3-laborscanner" rel="nofollow">PrograScan PS3 and PS5</a> provide true-to-detail, high-resolution and accurate scans for coordinated digital workflows that are precise, fast, and always accurate.</h3>

<h3>The PS3 and PS5 are powered by the popular and intuitive DentalCAD software from <a href="https://exocad.com/" rel="nofollow">Exocad</a>.  Whether you are looking for your first scanner, to upgrade or add to your existing scanners, the PrograScan may be the one for you.</h3>

<h3>Reach out to your friendly <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow">Ivoclar</a> sales representative to select a scanner that matches the needs of your lab Today and tell them you heard about it on the podcast!</h3>

<hr>

<h3>Does your lab use Magic Touch? If not, you should think about switching just so you can use <a href="https://icortica.com/" rel="nofollow">icortica</a>. Icortica is a program that uses all the data you already collect in Magic Touch and puts it in one easy to see, use, and understand dashboard. Look at every account and see trends, sales, notes, payments, and even remake percentages. Use the data you already have to take your lab and your customer service to the next level. Elvis uses it daily and swears it is a huge part to his success working at the lab. Head over to <a href="https://icortica.com/voices-from-the-bench/" rel="nofollow">icortica.com/voices</a> to learn more or send an email to Rob Nazzal at <a href="mailto:rob@icortica.com" rel="nofollow">rob@icortica.com</a> and tell him you heard about it on Voices From the Bench!</h3><p>Special Guest: Anas Afana.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Be sure to come see ELVIS and BARB in the <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow">IVOCLAR</a> Grand Ballroom AB during <a href="https://lmtmag.com/ivoclar" rel="nofollow">LMT Lab Day Chicago 2023</a><br>
February 24 &amp; 25</p>

<p>Be sure to stop by the <a href="https://www.nowakdental.com/" rel="nofollow">Nowak Dental Supplies</a> booth during <a href="https://lmtmag.com/lmtlabday" rel="nofollow">Lab Day Chicago</a> and tell them you are a <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/4141108352651184" rel="nofollow">fan of the podcast</a> to get a special sticker only for the fans.</p>

<p>Be sure to come see Barb on stage and join a great association. The Cal-Lab meeting February 23 &amp; 24 in Chicago!<br>
<a href="https://cal-lab.org/" rel="nofollow">JOIN TODAY!</a></p>

<p>We say there is a lack of the public knowing about dental laboratories. Thankfully we are slightly closer to the world knowing about us because a dental technician wrote the story of his life, and a big part of the book is dental laboratory technology. Anas Afana, from <a href="https://www.acedentalstudio.com/" rel="nofollow">Ace Dental Studio</a> in Omaha, Nebraska, comes on this week to talk about his life and eventually writing the book &quot;<a href="https://www.destinedtofailbook.com/" rel="nofollow">DESTINED TO FAIL: A MEMOIR OF RESILIENCE</a>&quot;. Anas talks about the interesting and unique way he was &quot;forced&quot; to learn dental technology in America, going through the DLT program, all the great stories from all the different labs, opening his own lab, and why he wrote the book.</p>

<p><a href="https://a.co/d/8iv87jG" rel="nofollow">Get the book DESTINED TO FAIL: A MEMOIR OF RESILIENCE from AMAZON</a></p>

<p><strong>Going to LMT Lab Day Chicago?  Go see Anas at the Nowak Dental Supplies booth on Saturday to get a copy of the book and get it signed!!!</strong></p>

<h3>The new <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us/products/digital-equipment/prograscan-ps5-and-ps3-laborscanner" rel="nofollow">PrograScan PS3 and PS5</a> provide true-to-detail, high-resolution and accurate scans for coordinated digital workflows that are precise, fast, and always accurate.</h3>

<h3>The PS3 and PS5 are powered by the popular and intuitive DentalCAD software from <a href="https://exocad.com/" rel="nofollow">Exocad</a>.  Whether you are looking for your first scanner, to upgrade or add to your existing scanners, the PrograScan may be the one for you.</h3>

<h3>Reach out to your friendly <a href="https://www.ivoclar.com/en_us" rel="nofollow">Ivoclar</a> sales representative to select a scanner that matches the needs of your lab Today and tell them you heard about it on the podcast!</h3>

<hr>

<h3>Does your lab use Magic Touch? If not, you should think about switching just so you can use <a href="https://icortica.com/" rel="nofollow">icortica</a>. Icortica is a program that uses all the data you already collect in Magic Touch and puts it in one easy to see, use, and understand dashboard. Look at every account and see trends, sales, notes, payments, and even remake percentages. Use the data you already have to take your lab and your customer service to the next level. Elvis uses it daily and swears it is a huge part to his success working at the lab. Head over to <a href="https://icortica.com/voices-from-the-bench/" rel="nofollow">icortica.com/voices</a> to learn more or send an email to Rob Nazzal at <a href="mailto:rob@icortica.com" rel="nofollow">rob@icortica.com</a> and tell him you heard about it on Voices From the Bench!</h3><p>Special Guest: Anas Afana.</p>]]>
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